Tech Fans Have Gone Full ‘Layton’ In Analysing The ‘Switch 2’ Motherboard – Nintendo Life
GuestGuestLogin | Sign UpNintendo LifeGuestLogin or Sign UpCritical thinking is the key to success.Ever since the reveal of the apparent ‘Switch 2’ motherboard online, fans have been going wild with speculation as to what kind of tech the upcoming new Nintendo console will boast.In fact, we’d say a lot of them could easily become Professor Layton’s new protégé, if they wish. The level of analysis with this stuff is frankly off the charts, and considering just how close we are to the potential reveal of this thing, we’re beginning to wonder whether it’s all worth the effort.It is interesting, though. Take zcomuto over on Reddit, for instance (thanks, Game Ranx). This user has presented a complex, albeit fascinating analysis of the motherboard based on the images released online. In it, they determine that the Nvidia chip is likely fabricated by Samsung and is essentially Nvidia’s 8nm ‘Ampere’ architecture, originally introduced back in 2020. This has since been surpassed by the ‘Lovelace’ architecture in 2022, which has made some users online concerned about a potential lack of power with the Switch 2.Essentially, folks are hoping that the Switch 2 would utilise 5nm or even 3nm chips, rather than the 8nm chip that zcomuto has supposedly discovered here. The numbers are next to meaningless in a technical sense and are broadly used as marketing terms, but in a nutshell, the lower the number, the more technically advanced the chip, boasting increased transistor density, increased speed, and reduced power consumption.It’s important, however, to keep in mind that the Switch 2 may also utilise DLSS upscaling technology to boost the resolution of its games, hopefully alleviating concerns over its apparent use of Nvidia’s ‘Ampere’ chip.Aside from that, zcomuto has also determined that, based on previous manifest leaks, the storage chip is likely 256 GB UFS-1 (the actual text in the photo is, however, illegible), which would indicate a significant increase over the current Switch family of systems, which max out at 64GB. We’ve also supposedly got two 6 GB LPDDR5x RAM modules in dual channel, making up a total of 12GB of RAM. 256GB storage and 12GB RAM have been rumoured for a while, but it seems that, if legit, the motherboard photos may indeed confirm this.Finally, it seems that the card reader within the Switch 2 is likely capable of reading both Switch and Switch 2 games. It’s been confirmed that Switch games will be fully playable via backward compatibility, so unless there’s a separate reader specifically for Switch 2 games (kind of like how the DS had a GBA slot), then you’ll be using just a single reader for both platforms.We say it time and time again, but it’s always worth repeating: it’s entirely possible that none of this is true. This is analysis performed on a few leaked images that, while certainly convincing, have not been proven to be 100% legit (or based on the final build, for that matter). They probably are, but they might not be. It’ll no doubt be some time before we know the true details of the Switch 2’s technical capabilities, as it’s likely even Nintendo itself won’t divulge such information during or after its eventual reveal.Everything about the “Switch successor”Chips ahoyIncluding what it’s making for Nintendo’s next-gen hardwareWhat do you make of the analysis being performed on these motherboard photos? Is it worth the hassle, or do you think folks are better off just waiting for the reveal at this point? Let us know with a comment down below.[source reddit.com, via gameranx.com]About Ollie ReynoldsNintendo Life’s resident horror fanatic, when he’s not knee-deep in Resident Evil and Silent Hill lore, Ollie likes to dive into a good horror book while nursing a lovely cup of tea. He also enjoys long walks and listens to everything from TOOL to Chuck Berry.Comments 89Mario & Luigi: BrotherboardA bunch of impatient nerds look at a random motherboard to guess what the Switch 2 specs are.They might as well be divining tea leaves at this point.Black Myth: Wukong confirmed, perhaps? …If only it were THAT easy…I belive these leaks now as the system is in production for release later part of this year, so there will be people taking a cheeky picture here and there.It’s not going to be Steam deck in terms of raw power, but I can’t wait for the official specs and some launch game footage. Metroid Prime 4 will be a wicked launch game 😎Anyone else concerned Nintendo have waited too long? I’m genuinely not that excited about Switch 2 anymore.It’s a motherboard for a new console. I don’t know what else is there to know.😐🤔😆I think it would be unfortunate if it can’t match the steamdecks power. Bit of a misstep there particularly if it’s around the same price or more.Also, that motherboard could easily be from the Switch Pro that never launched. The amount of time Nintendo have waited and waited with this “new” hardware it’s surely extremely unlikely that the chip would be from 2020.Think about it. We’re in 2025 now…@nocdaes You are excited for hardware and not the software? I will get excited when it has interesting games I want to play and can buy it in the store. Just weird to be not that excited anymore when it hasn’t been announced yet.@nocdaes Pro never was a thing.I’m not very techy but if accurate would it be as underpowered compared to PS5 and Xbox Series as Switch is compared to PS4 and Xbox One? I hope not :-/@Yosti I believe Switch Pro was a thing. The OLED model was a compromise as a result of the pandemic.@CriticalHit everything I’ve been reading at resetera has suggested it will be more powerful than the steamdeck without DLSS. Nobody will know until they show some games though.Your article was outdated already once you posted it. The Switch 2 uses 5nm. The person you mention edited his post here to mention exactly that at they very end: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/1hrzqh9/some_details_on_switch_2_internals_from_the/
Also another user did the math too and yes it’s uses 5nm.
Famiboards Users analyzed the Die and the surrounding transistors and are certain that it has to be a Samsung 5nm node
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Switch 2 using 8nm is total nonsense in other words. To be exact Switch 2, based on everything we know, is going to be on the same level as a Xbox Series S ( 4 Teraflops docked ), with 4K docked using DLSS ( 1080p portable ), better ray-tracing, ray reconstruction, mesh shaders and 12 GB Ram with no ram bottlenecks like that one. It will run anything released on the other systems in simple words. Anybody expecting anything else has no clue what he’s talking about and not worth wasting time on.People need to keep their expectations in check, you are not going to have a PS5 in your hands.I love my specs for new hardware but I interested in how nintendo will market the switch 2. The marketing blunder sealed the WiiU gate very early.Will the Switch 2 get exclusives that the mass install base of Switch 1 won’t get???Will nintendo make games have to run on both consoles????Exciting times ahead peeps ❤️@Dr_Lugae A bunch of impatient nerds tell others what they should or shouldn’t do.@nocdaes I think you should think about it.Nintendo never uses bleeding edge technology in it’s raw specs. Some connectivity gubbins perhaps, but never raw power. At least not since the GameCube.Technology is only getting incrementally better. The measuring stick for inprovements is so short now that Sony has released a ”Pro” PS5 before there is even any sort of open-and-shut showcase for what the base console can do over a PS4.A 3-4 year old chipset is absolutely what I’d expect from Nintendo, and people who were expecting a 2024 3nm silicon have no idea what Nintendo is about. Cheap, standard components with low-ish power draw is the balance they always strive for and 5nm (which the post since has been corrected to) will do that job just fine.I think the leaks are bang on the money, and it will be disappointing to some; but then wishful thinking when it comes to new console specs is nothing new.@nocdaes Yes I noticed you believe that. I said it was never a thing.@Clyde_Radcliffe it’s a handheld device, there was never a chance that it would match PS5 in terms of power, unless you want to pay more than $1000 for itAgain, looking forward to the official information not only in itself, but also to see which “leaks” and now the speculation applied to them as well were right!@CriticalHit If these specs are correct, it would certainly surpass the Steam Deck in power. Whether it’s 5nm or 8nm, it’s still well beyond the Steam Deck, even before DLSS is taken into consideration.@Clyde_Radcliffe Yes, but with a caveat. The power difference matters far less, as the system doesn’t need to output 4k in portable mode since it has a 1080p screen. With most PS5 / XBSX games targetting such a high resolution, the difference in power will be far less of an issue for developers. Additionally, games are already having to keep the XBSS in mind when multiplatform, which is well below the XBSX and PS5 in power.To put it in perspective, with the currently rumored specs, it’s going to be somewhere between the PS4 Pro and the XBSS most likely.@JohnnyMind my thoughts exactly. The launch of the Switch embarrassed a lot of so-called people with “inside information”.NDAs are real, the consequences that go with them are big. My work has to sign NDAs with every client we pick up. If we leak their work we lose the client and our reputation going forward.Nintendo hasn’t bit at anyone yet and everyone knows how litigious they tend to be…those that don’t end up in court cases.@Yosti There is no evidence it wasn’t a thing, but you carry on pretending you know something no-one else knows! 😉Fun as I’m sure this is – I get being passionate about something and wanting to micro analyze everything – I’d personally wait until I had an actual unit in my hands before going crazy trying to figure out what a device can do.@Dr_Lugae it’s a pile of chips, Nintendo builds their consoles for their games first and foremost, they’re not at the beck and call of third parties unlike the other two, heavily reliant on third parties, who are now having to make their own games third party to make any money back. “AAA” is falling apart in my eyes…The conversations about the 5nm vs the 8nm are very fascinating and educational, regardless of whatever the final system has. The same with the 12 vs 16 gigs of ram. The positive thinkers seem to maintain that since it’s custom hardware for a specific gaming device use (rather than a mobile device for example), the “flaws” won’t be as damning as the higher end options Nintendo possibly didn’t go with. As long as the games it has are fun and run well (and look decent enough) I’ll be happy. 👍. Plus if it makes native switch games run better/optimized, I’m all for it. I have over 800 games in my backlog. I’m also really curious about how the dock will adjust the games since that’s really not being brought up (though we don’t have any major dock leaks so to be expected I guess).Either way, it’s helping pass the time while we wait 😂🤣🤷♂️🤷♂️@Yosti I wondered a while back if Nintendo were toying with the idea of a pro back before OLED/was supposed to be the OLED refresh but what with supply chain issues (transistors etc) at the time OLED was the only feasible route. I doubt we’d ever know anyway, or if we do it’d be in decades time. Either way new console inbound, that’s all that matters as I think the hardware is in desperate need of a refresh@nocdaes Correct. But you started talking about it, not me. I don’t care @vyseofhr I hope that’s correct. I will be more than happy with Series S power. As someone who only really games on Nintendo consoles, it will be quite a leap in graphics from Switch. First party games will look incredible.A bunch of people got lied to and are wasting their lives…sounds more like Larry ButzDid they solve a puzzle first?“ We say it time and time again, but it’s always worth repeating: it’s entirely possible that none of this is true “Except in the title of the article, where you don’t mention anything about rumors or possible 3D printed fakes, you simply state this:“Tech Fans Have Gone Full ‘Layton’ In Analysing The ‘Switch 2′ Motherboard“So, clickbait titles for the win I guess. 😝@nocdaesI definitely think they blew the release announcement. The longer they put it off, the more we -seem- to be getting leaks that other supposed leaks are corroborating.By waiting as long as possible, nintendo appears to be losing control of the narrative on what gets revealed about the switch 2 during the actual announcement.@WiltonRoots True, but at the same time there can and have been legitimate leaks despite NDAs in the past, that’s why it will be quite interesting seeing which ones were actually true in retrospective!In a world where most non exclusive AAA games aren’t even good anymore, does it even matter if it can’t play those? I just hope it can do Monster Hunter, that belongs on a portable imo@JohnnyMind Indeed. Those that got it wrong will either vanish or do some massive backpedaling, which should make for some decent entertainment.Critical thinking? More like doomsayin’.@Kiwi_Unlimited More likely, Nintendo doesn’t care, as long as it doesn’t affect their stock. If anything, these leaks only keep the buzz alive, without them having to do any marketing. We all know it’s coming very soon, what does a few months’ difference make at this point?The most important and exciting details – the launch date, price and launch titles – are still unknown.I mean if it floats their boat, but I find this information to be irrelevant. Some people just love dissecting things for the sake of dissecting but ultimately it doesn’t matter. What we get is what we get in the end@nocdaes I too am not excited about something that hasn’t been unveiled yet.A 3nm or even 5nm chip would be nice if for no other reason than longer battery life! 8nm tech seems very old now in 2025 so it’s likely what Nintendo will use 😂@Marthstache Matters to me. There’s plenty of AAA games (not EA and Ubi) that are good.Wow, all this time investment just to maaaybe know something one or two months sooner-.-‘@0_Cassiel_0 „and 12 GB Ram with no ram bottlenecks like [Xbox Series S]“No bottleneck for thr capacity, but bandwidth can be a huge bottleneck. The calculation in the Reddit post NLife cites for the memory bandwidth is credible and says 60 GB/s, while the „main“ RAM of the Series S provides 224 GB/s, PS4 with 176 GB/s.So raytracing is technically possible, but very unperformant. How else will the low memory bandwidth effect the overall performance?Do these people work? Like who has so much time to analyse in total detail some bad quality .jpeg.”You know Luke, this motherboard reminds me of a puzzle”Just thinking about how amazing Nintendo games are going to look if Switch 2 has close to Series S power. Going from what is a souped up PS3 to a watered down PS5 will be quite a leap.Mario Kart, Zelda, 3D Mario and Splatoon are going to look absolutely superb.@rjejr Yep, this should definitely be in the rumour category and not news. Title should be “…motherboard leak”.Layton is a gentleman and he would calmly and rationally wait for the Switch 2 to be announced. Unlike any of these people.In a different reality consoles should have much longer life span ( 15 – 20 years ) so that developers could REALLY know them and develop some amazing games ( like today NES or SNES projects that were impossible to build when the systems were there ) .@KoopaTheGamer ” Luke , I`m your father ” @OorWullie yes WaveRace 4 will look amazing!!@WheresWaveRace Wave Race 3,5 on current Switch would be amazing too ! Might need to use a few hint coins to solve this one.Going full Layton would be suggesting a puzzle about hot air balloon or something totally unrelated.256 GB internal storage sounds nice when you like me only have a 128 GB SD card (plus 32 GB internal storage) on the Switch Lite.
12 GB memory only compared to the Steam Deck’s 16 GB seems a bit low though.My real concern (and what nobody seems to have talked about) is how Nintendo is going to handle the backwards compatibility of people’s digital libraries.Physical libraries is a given as you just insert your Switch cartridges into the Switch 2’s cartridge slot, but is Nintendo going to require you to do a complete system transfer like with the 3DSs when it comes to your digital library (I never owned a Wii so I don’t know how it was handled on the Wii U).Personally with a Switch 2 potentially not having a proper D-pad and maybe having to transfer your whole digital library in one go, it would have me wait for the Switch 2 Lite coming out in 2027/28 (I have a my Steam Deck for Resident Evil and what else might interest me on the AAA 3rd party front).@WheresWaveRace .For sure it would. That would make a great launch title alongside a major IP. AAA 4K Waverace with online racing and the most impressive wave physics ever seen.@QwiffWow.That’s a fantastic point. At least we’ll know soon enough.@Yosti Glad someone gets it. Metroid Prime 4 and Xenoblade X are coming this year. I’ll get excited for the next console when they reveal games for it. But honestly, some folk are having hissy fits over how long they have been watching Youtuber harp on a new console for so long they have gone off gaming. Kinda dumb I reckon.the go to excuse now is “its A.I it’s all A.I” without giving any reason or evidence to prove its A.II don’t want a state of the art Steam Deck killer. I don’t want to pay 700 quid for a games console. And that isn’t going to sell Switch like numbers. Whatever performance a 300 quid price point (gratned probably more like 400 these days with inflation as it is) can get me these days I’ll be happy (Like I was with the Switch.) And if it needs DLSS to punch above it’s weight, so be it. If Nintendo can deliver PS4 ports with the odd miracle PS5 port, lots of first party games with a clear leap and indie support at an affordable price then fine. Anything less than that is practically the system we are all playing now lol. But all this speculation over specs when that’s not really what Nintendo do best is all misplaced (in the sense of them knocking out a state of the art 1000 pound console lol!).On a side note, I wonder if anything will get mentioned at CES by Mr Jenson at NVidia. His speech about the Switch really helped I think.I think the big sticking point is the low 12GB Ram rather than the requested 16GB which third parties like Capcom suggested to be able to run modern 3rd AAA titles. I’m not sure if the older chip set also be an issue or not.I mean it’s a Nintendo console so it will run Nintendo games gorgeously but probably struggle to run most other publishers products.I’m also thinking with those specs it probably can’t run monster hunter wilds but if it’s PS4 equivalent we might get a port of world + Ice in the launch year. Or worst case we get wilds cloud editionI still feel it won’t be on 8nm. Maybe a smaller Samsung node.While folks are trying to measure by pixels and such, one person I saw took a different approach, using Orin. They adjusted the images so the chips would have 90 degree angles, and sized them up so the RAM chips of both the leaks and of images from Orin’s motherboard would match. That then gave them an estimate of the sizes of the Orin and T239 chips. Of course the Orin chip is bigger (at 455mm^2?), but we also have an x-ray of the Orin chip with sectioned areas that relate to the CPU, GPU, etc. So they scaled that down to fit into the Orin motherboard, and then sectioned out pieces of the GPU and CPU to adjust to the info we know about the T239 (like cutting 1/4 of the GPU because Orin has 16 SMs while the T239 has 12 SMs), and then placed the modified sections into the T239. What amounted from that is that it is just too tight to fit those major components in while still needing room for various other things.@Lord I don’t think we have any evidence companies were asking for 16GB of RAM? 12GB is more than what the Xbox Series S has, anyways. It’ll be fine for most games@shgamer Steam Deck needs a bit more RAM because it’s a PC, playing PC versions of games that often require 16GBs now because of the operating system overhead of Windows (Yes Deck is Linux but it plays Windows software). 12GBs for the Switch 2 will do fine.I think at this point we are pretty sure that we are getting an actual full on successor to the Switch rather than a Switch 2.There’s too much going on to make it a Switch 2.There’s too much of a processor update to make this a mere Switch 2.Look at it this way the DSi never had the CPU update that a lot of people have & if we look at the leaks here, it seems more akin to the equivalent of Nintendo Skipping the DSi in favour of the 3DSSo long story short, This is an actual Switch Successor, not a Switch 2.So sick of this constant click bait. Nobody who isn’t restricted by an NDA knows jack. Shame on Nintendo Life for joining in this BS.@shgamer Ninny said that accounts will be compatible so digital purchases problem solved ? ( I hope )you haven’t “gone full Layton” until you get one Switch 2 motherboard to the other side of a grid by sliding around differently shaped, adjacent motherboards.@premko1 I can just say that on the 3DSs, you were only allowed to have your digital purchases on one 3DS (and it was all or nothing so to speak – transfer all or nothing). You weren’t even able to reverse the process (going from a New 3DS back to an OG 3DS wasn’t possible). Nintendo is very stingy and won’t allow you to have access to your purchases on more than a single device (i’m pretty sure – they could change their policies of course – but I highly doubt they will).@Orpheus79V You’re probably right, now you say it. The Switch OS is a lot more simple than the Steam Deck’s, which has massive updates very regularly.Please let Nintendo add “blue light filter” setting into Switch 2 OS.This sounds exhausting. Why are ppl choosing to do this to themselves? I get it’s fun to guesstimate on specs and features prior to a new console release but in the end these spec details don’t really matter. When playing a great or even your favorite games no one is thinking about 3nm or 5nm anything, you don’t play games because of teraflops…think about it, you don’t even replay a game for its graphics. There’s a lot of room for unnecessary disappointment when you start believing every rumour, when it comes to Nintendo tech it’s always smarter to temper your expectations. Besides, features like DLSS will never define a gaming console, the games do and always will.@nocdaes I’m in the “I’m happy with Switch as is, but the games will run a tad better with Switch 2”-camp. And that is fine with me. I’m not into triple A gaming anymore since it’s shyte anyways most of the time. I actually enjoy remakes and retro or neo-retro games and the occassional first party Nintendo title. Switch 2 won’t change that, just smoothen the experience a bit.Hope the eShop improves…@shgamer Remember that on 3ds You could only have 1 profile – that`s the reason . IMHO it will be the same as on current Switch – primary and secondary console thing .@Rainz it’s because everyone has an obsession with trying to be “the smartest person in the room” these days.Really, what will end up being the actual Switch 2 specs?I like ANY analysis of Switch 2 that I can get, up UNTIL Nintendo actually says ANYTHING about the system, AT ALL, and I’m way past holding my breath and waiting for Nintendo to do a Switch 2 reveal.After all the reveal rumors, for weeks and months, I’m not believing anything else, about a reveal, until it ACTUALLY happens.I’m hoping for powerful, cutting edge hardware, but we know Nintendo WON’T use the latest and greatest tech, 1) because they are “thrifty” (CHEAP) 2) because they are concerned about the price of the system and how the price would impact actual purchases of the system.Nintendo doesn’t need cutting edge hardware in order to make great software, so that’s not really a concern. As long as the Switch 2 hardware is at least a modest update over the original system, and they make fixes and improvements where customers have requested those fixes, everything SHOULD be fine.Now, there’s a question of what the launch titles will be, and how Switch 2, in general, will compare to the original, after Nintendo has let the hype boil and rise, for week after week, for MONTHS.@nocdaes they would not triple the memory for a switch pro, that would be too big of a difference. There are several possible reasons Nintendo waited this long with the switch 2.1. Nintendo never sells their system at a loss unlike Microsoft and Sony. Waiting longer might mean lower component prizes. 2. Developing hardware takes time, so whatever chip there will be in there or in a Playstation or Xbox, the tech will be a couple of years old. Nintendo takes this a step further to keep the costs down, their consoles have to be affordable for the average person and they have to make money with it from the beginning.3. Nintendo also said a couple of years ago that developing games takes more time nowadays. So because switch was still doing well enough, it gave them the opportunity to keep working on games so there won’t be many gaps like Playstation 5 has. With the switch they solved this problem by re releasing Wii U titles. They don’t have that luxury now.8nm isn’t “technically meaningless” do any of you all want 2hr battery life from full charge to dead? I sure don’t. Fact is, nintendo sat on finalized switch 2 hardware too long so they could get maximum sales from switch og. Now we’ll get a switch 2 thats more outdated than the original switch was upon its release.Any one getting upset because the switch 2 won’t be as powerful as a steam deck is just clueless of how a dedicated console vs a general purpose pc works. The Steam deck for all its form factor and game centric look is a general pc disguised as a hand held console. This means that’s the game are optimized for many different and and intel cpu and many different gpu.The Nintendo Switch 2 is a unique system with a particular power envelope that the developer can develop for and optimized for. Key word here is optimized, because developers know the game will run on same hardware they will and can optimized down to the silicon.As the Korean news site predicted, Nintendo got a great deal with Samsung.One hopeful aspect is, they claim Samsung made 7LPH nodes for the Switch 2, which is a high performance evolution to their 8nm. Therefore, performance won’t be as bad as their off-the-shelf 8nm.It’s still technically possible that they’ll surprise us with a 5-6nm node from Samsung, but it would have to go against the grain with Nvidia’s track record.@Ulysses Just waiting to see what the actual specs will end up beingNot really that bothered about the spec as long as it’s great to play. Already happy with a new Switch that includes backwards compatibility tbh@nocdaes Yeah, I honestly feel the same. 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