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“both of which were scaled to the body size of the participants.”Everybody knows ants have more power for their size than (animals bigger than insects)Ants are collectively unselfish. Ants act in the interest of the greater good.Humans? The attributes that selected for homo sapiens domination of competitors seems to have limited our propensity to prosper beyond a certain point.Ants are collectively unselfish. Ants act in the interest of the greater good.Few people would want to live like ants, with little agency over their lives.Ants are collectively unselfish. Ants act in the interest of the greater good.Few people would want to live like ants, with little agency over their lives.We’d need better pheromones tooThe entire membership of the CCP would like to disagree with you (whether they like it or not) !Blah blah blahMeanwhile the summary indicates the opposite. Ants worked well collectively while the humans did not. Not that anyone of that has to do with class warfare or CEO pay.Ants are collectively unselfish. Ants act in the interest of the greater good.The cells of a human body are collectively unselfish. Human body cells (excepting tumors) act in the interest of the greater good.If you want to compare human behavior with ant behavior, the thing to compare against a human is the entire ant colony… and ant colonies are known for occasionally going to war against each other, particular when competing for resources.Ants are collectively unselfish. Ants act in the interest of the greater good.The cells of a human body are collectively unselfish. Human body cells (excepting tumors) act in the interest of the greater good.If you want to compare human behavior with ant behavior, the thing to compare against a human is the entire ant colony… and ant colonies are known for occasionally going to war against each other, particular when competing for resources.right, plus the humans ended up solving the problem anyway, even with their communication systems turned off.Ants don’t speak to each other as we do, they use chemicals to build communication networks, we do not. The most we can achieve with natural smells is not conducive to any collective activity at all…I agree. Humans suck, and we’ve somehow made it a lot further than we should for such a selfish species.Next up, Reddit for ants.How about an array of ants? We could call it RAIDI don’t think ants are particularly fond of Raid.The ant echo chamber. Any criticism of ants will get you banned. /r/antlions is banned.First, we are not clones. If the ants weren’t they’d behave differently.Sci-Fi reference: You see, dear bugger (ala OSC), we are all a hive with a single member. Every death of a human is a cessation of an unique genetic line, whereas in your case only killing the queen matters. This fundamental difference informs the behavioral differences between your hive and ours.Secondly, we people are the ultimate champions of cooperating in large groups. No other animal comes even close. All of us are descendants of It comes down to the amount of neanderthal DNA in different parts of the population. The more selfish people having more neanderthal DNA, and you see the effort to put the least intelligent in charge, because of the similarity to themselves. The rest of the population would want those at the top to actually be more capable than your typical 5th grade bully.Exactly.Take away the advantage of human intelligence and, surprise! They get beat.Nothing to see here except bad science.So they showed that humans are terrible at communicating with scents and have no antennae.To make this REALLY fair, they should’ve cut off four of each ant’s legs!So they showed that humans are terrible at communicating with scentsThat’s because no beans were served at the canteen at lunch.So they showed that humans are terrible at communicating with scentsThat’s because no beans were served at the canteen at lunch.It goes beyond just taking away human’s communication. Ants could still use the communication systems they rely on. So they could use all of their natural advantages, while the humans were artificially handicapped.The results are the same as you pointed out, if you significantly impair humans, other animals can outperform them on cognitive tests.This is called “scaling”. Any comparison between a small animal and large animal using physical properties of each will be misleading and wrong. Where do these clowns come up with this kind of nonsense research? Maybe it was a government sponsored study. :(Everybody knows ants have more power for their sizeWatch the video. It was not a test of strength.But it was a stupid test. The humans were prohibited from talking or gesturing, while inter-ant communication was unrestricted.All it showed is that humans don’t have group intelligence when mechanisms for group intelligence are prohibited.Everybody knows ants have more power for their sizeWatch the video. It was not a test of strength.But it was a stupid test. The humans were prohibited from talking or gesturing, while inter-ant communication was unrestricted.All it showed is that humans don’t have group intelligence when mechanisms for group intelligence are prohibited.To summarize, emergent cognitive faculties allow large ant groups to employ a heuristic that is reminiscent of the well-known “right-hand rule,” in which, upon entering a maze, the solver slides their right hand along the wall and proceeds forward without changing their direction.Simple cognition follows simple rules.Obviously they put restrictions on what people can do. They even tested with and without restricted communication. They didn’t have group of humans on a similar scale as the ants and they didn’t allow for someone to act as a scout/director.There is value to this study but idea that ants have superior collective intelligence is click-bait BS that completely discounts the fact that humans organize differently than ants.To summarize, emergent cognitive faculties allow large ant groups to employ a heuristic that is reminiscent of the well-known “right-hand rule,” in which, upon entering a maze, the solver slides their right hand along the wall and proceeds forward without changing their direction.Simple cognition follows simple rules.Obviously they put restrictions on what people can do. They even tested with and without restricted communication. They didn’t have group of humans on a similar scale as the ants and they didn’t allow for someone to act as a scout/director.There is value to this study but idea that ants have superior collective intelligence is click-bait BS that completely discounts the fact that humans organize differently than ants.Umm…. [images.nightcafe.studio]When the ants encountered a problem, their solution didn’t start with “We need a Jira subscription.”No, they threw an OUT OF CHEESE error and demanded the FTB module be reinstalled…..The researchers posit that, in the absence of the ability to discuss and debate, individuals attempt to reach a consensus quickly rather than fully assessing the problem. This “groupthink,” they suggest, leads people toward fruitless “greedy” efforts where they directly pull the T toward the gaps in the wall, rather than the less obvious, correct solution of pulling the object into the space between first. Whereas the ants “excel in cooperation,” they write, humans need to be able to talk through their reasoning to avoid simply going with what they think the crowd wants. I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. They seem to be focused on an existence of cooperation and less hive-mind thinking.The researchers posit that, in the absence of the ability to discuss and debate, individuals attempt to reach a consensus quickly rather than fully assessing the problem. This “groupthink,” they suggest, leads people toward fruitless “greedy” efforts where they directly pull the T toward the gaps in the wall, rather than the less obvious, correct solution of pulling the object into the space between first. Whereas the ants “excel in cooperation,” they write, humans need to be able to talk through their reasoning to avoid simply going with what they think the crowd wants.I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. They seem to be focused on an existence of cooperation and less hive-mind thinking.I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. They seem to be focused on an existence of cooperation and less hive-mind thinking.Isn’t hive-mind thinking the social insects’ primary MO?I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. They seem to be focused on an existence of cooperation and less hive-mind thinking.Isn’t hive-mind thinking the social insects’ primary MO?Probably cocaine.Probably cocaine.Either that, or Chef’s Chocolate Salty Balls, I’m not sure!Probably cocaine.Either that, or Chef’s Chocolate Salty Balls, I’m not sure!A piece of candy…oh piece of candy…I’d like to see how they would perform if they went up against creatures that are many times smarter than humans. Like dolphins or lizards for example.Humans are not good at working together when you take away their ability to communicate with each other?! Nobody could have foreseen this.in which ants can beat humans. OK wow.Ants can lift several hundred times their body weight, humans can’t. Why would we expect human strength to scale proportionally to their size?Some animals are stronger than humans, some can fly, some can swim better than humans. There are examples all over the animal kingdom, of animals that can outperform humans in various tasks. Yes, even ants.If you’re going to say that ants are smarter than humans, it’s time for them to start paying taxes.No taxation without represANTation!Come to think of it, there are already a few politicians in DC that have the brain of an ant!Come to think of it, there are already a few politicians in DC that have the brain of an ant!In other news, several colonies of ants have managed to come together to hire a lawyer to file a lawsuit for libel against a Slashdot poster for equivocating their brains with that of a Washington DC Politician.Come to think of it, there are already a few politicians in DC that have the brain of an ant!In other news, several colonies of ants have managed to come together to hire a lawyer to file a lawsuit for libel against a Slashdot poster for equivocating their brains with that of a Washington DC Politician.Uh-oh, now I’m afraid!Individuals may be smart or not, but humans in groups are generally not smart at all except when very carefully selected.Individuals may be smart or not, but humans in groups are generally not smart at all except when very carefully selected.Have you met my friend Agent K?On the other hand: Crowdsourcing.Individuals may be smart or not, but humans in groups are generally not smart at all except when very carefully selected.Have you met my friend Agent K?On the other hand: Crowdsourcing.I suspect humans would beat them soundly at independent actionsNuclear or biological, asteroid or virus…Nature will start over again.Probably with the bees.Find gate. Open gate. Close gate. Run run run!Bullshit.If we go extinct you can’t just imagine that another intelligent species will come along.”Nature will start over again.”Nature is not optimized to promote intelligence, just survival. There is no golden path that we were on that nature uses to create more intelligent creatures.You are living in a wish fulfilment dream.This is obviously just “scare” news,stirring up anti-bug sentiment.They’re not coming for us.WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEARN MORE?Ants are smarter than humans, because humans assume ants have no “language”, and devise comparative studies based on that, in order to prove…I’m not sure what the point is supposed to be?The point is… the researchers need additional funding!US: Deport the ants !!UK: Ban myrmecophobia (ant-o-phobia) !!The groups of humans, on the other hand, often didn’t do better when working together, especially if they weren’t allowed to talkNo shit, Sherlock. Humans can’t cooperate well when you take away their means of cooperation. Who’d have thought?The study is interesting, but the conclusions are false. It doesn’t prove that ants are better than humans. To level the playing field, do the study again, but this time a) don’t limit the humans and/or b) take away the ants’ pheromones.The groups of humans, on the other hand, often didn’t do better when working together, especially if they weren’t allowed to talkNo shit, Sherlock. Humans can’t cooperate well when you take away their means of cooperation. Who’d have thought?The study is interesting, but the conclusions are false. It doesn’t prove that ants are better than humans. To level the playing field, do the study again, but this time a) don’t limit the humans and/or b) take away the ants’ pheromones.”None of us is as dumb as all of us.”You’re crowd stupid.They took away human’s sight and the ability to communicate via language.They should have cut the legs off the ants then, too, to make it more even.Take away humans sight and the ability to communicate and pit them against ants in a task that ants have been doing for millions of years.Yeah. Totally legit research.There may be more comments in this discussion. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to turn on Classic Discussion System in your preferences instead.See the Thousands of Apps Hijacked To Spy On Your LocationBiden To Further Limit AI Chip Exports In Final PushThe system was down for backups from 5am to 10am last Saturday.
